When he attacked Gorre on my behalf, he was able to trap Gorre in this shadowy claw that kept him pinned to one spot.
[Thinking]
...and because he's an admin he can code anything into existence, provided he has access to the data and information. So...he can create copies of us to fight, as he did with Mithrun and...
[Glances]
Even though he's a harvest cleric, don't expect him to be reliant on his spells list.
Hmm...that particular technique sounds quite troublesome—how long was he able to keep Gorre entrapped?
[ If they know the timing, even if it might be elongated by...let us say, Hien's claw-pinning ability being further boosted once the transformation is complete, it could be useful. Maybe.
Also...at the mention of 'copies', Albedo is frowning because great. That's fantastic. ]
How sturdy are these copies, exactly?
I presume you mean because he is the type to hit first and ask questions later as fast as possible — and spells might undermine such a tactic?
[ Pointless to pursue the current subject, then, for the entrap technique. As for the other matter, he lets that too go until he can approach Mithrun. ]
Seeing as the Phases seem to retain mannerisms from their current hosts, I suppose I could believe that would carry over as well.
[ And then, on another note, he backs up a bit because they kind of didn't really discuss it like he wanted. ]
Back to earlier, about 'Skeith being a program that seeks out human emotions and reactions to death. And not liking anyone who would provide useful data', should we consider that a positive? Or that it would simply adjust who it targets based upon that, perhaps?
We shouldn't see it as a matter of like or dislike. As a Phase, he will have the ability to target as many people as possible...and as an administrator...the possibilities of what he could do are endless. But if we can collectively frustrate the programming, we may be able to find openings. Gorre paused in battle to identify the correct attacks to use. The programming is not infallible.
He listens particularly closely on this explanation, particularly with the way Sinclair's laying it out. ]
So, simply put:
Anyone showing such an aspect could cause that 'pause' or 'frustration' in its programming. Intriguing. It certainly couldn't hurt to see the results from anyone managing to be capable of giving 'useless' data in that regard.
...Seeing as Hien would be likely to strike mercilessly, any hinderance in his capabilities would be welcome.
Anyone with long range capabilities should stay at long range. We don't know what it will be like for Skeith. It might be like Gorre, Innis...[a pause] and Corbenik again where aggression simply doesn't work. Never the less, as someone who has trained with Hien a few times...don't expect him to use the usual tactics of a Harvest Cleric.
[He rubs his cheek, grimacing. And yes, he is confessing to his training sessions now]
I'd hate to see what an axe kick looks like on a giant Phase...
An avatar of death does not seem like the type in which gentle words will reach his heart. Yet, if we simply show him violence which is indicative towards 'causation' of death, that will only be fodder for his data collection. All the same, it would be wise to keep some level of aggression if we don't want to find ourselves in danger in the beginning.
[ Pausing, in thought. If it's like the other ones... ]
Hien is a straightforward man on appearance, but he has some layers once you are able to make a glimpse past whatever veil he places in front of himself. That could factor in to any potential other aspects beyond 'frustrating the Wave of death' due to one's non-standard attitude towards death.
One more potential concern that I feel I must reiterate, which I have mentioned earlier:
Should we have to fight Skeith in the place I saw the advancement of Hien's 'condition', I noticed that items and skills are not accessible in the area. Like I have stated before, it may change. But it also may not. We should be adequately prepared in either case.
...And, while we're at it, could you enlighten us on what other tactics Hien is used to using besides axe kicks?
[ A funny image of a who-knows-incredible-amount-of-stories-tall enemy performing an axe kick does fly by in Albedo's head, but you know. ]
[ Crossing fingers he does not in other areas, maybe- ]
Hmm, I see. Like an instinctual response granted by most living beings.
[ But, good to know from a psychological standpoint?? ]
...If that is the case, I should hope no one would be inclined towards doing so. [ ... ] Though, speaking of which, that last part I assume you also derived from personal experience?
[ Something else, then...maybe. Real life goals? The gaps in their memories really be giving them a hard time. ]
...Ah. I can see why sparring so hard would be, perhaps, counterproductive to the health of either of you as the situation changed. Truthfully, what an inconvenience that has been...
[ The lack of healing, he means. But he clears his throat, focusing on the topic at hand. ]
That said, it may have dealt with something related to your life on the other side, I suppose. Our memories are rather shaky when it comes to that, it appears.
...But you still can't recall the reason, yes? I'd imagine it was at least important enough that you wouldn't forget under normal circumstances.
It may be those 'reasons' are still tied to your life on the other side. Perhaps those 'reasons' may be connected to another memory you could be still missing.
[ While Albedo wishes he might have recovered a memory as well, he knows it is by no means a pleasant one. The utterance of the name "Kromer" not having been forgotten and the look of terror palpable on Sinclair's face...he was almost at a loss of words, seeing him like that. But it was a relief others could support him. ]
...You did have a rather bad reaction, I recall, uttering that person's name.
If, perhaps, you felt learning those skills would help you in dealing with this Kromer, I could understand that as basis for your reasoning.
[ Of course, as it is, there is no proof this is the case, and Albedo is going on not much to tied it together. But, in absence of concrete evidence, researchers are made to form hypotheses all the time. ]
...I still do. [He's just gotten better at holding it together in front of people. He rubs his arms and grimaces] I was trying to improve my speed...reaction time...
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[Thinking]
...and because he's an admin he can code anything into existence, provided he has access to the data and information. So...he can create copies of us to fight, as he did with Mithrun and...
[Glances]
Even though he's a harvest cleric, don't expect him to be reliant on his spells list.
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[ If they know the timing, even if it might be elongated by...let us say, Hien's claw-pinning ability being further boosted once the transformation is complete, it could be useful. Maybe.
Also...at the mention of 'copies', Albedo is frowning because great. That's fantastic. ]
How sturdy are these copies, exactly?
I presume you mean because he is the type to hit first and ask questions later as fast as possible — and spells might undermine such a tactic?
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[One, he was dizzy from blood loss. Two, cruelty]
Um. You should speak to Mithrun. And...he used his class to handicap himself. He's just inclined to physical violence. Skeith would draw on that.
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[ Pointless to pursue the current subject, then, for the entrap technique. As for the other matter, he lets that too go until he can approach Mithrun. ]
Seeing as the Phases seem to retain mannerisms from their current hosts, I suppose I could believe that would carry over as well.
[ And then, on another note, he backs up a bit because they kind of didn't really discuss it like he wanted. ]
Back to earlier, about 'Skeith being a program that seeks out human emotions and reactions to death. And not liking anyone who would provide useful data', should we consider that a positive? Or that it would simply adjust who it targets based upon that, perhaps?
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[ Pausing and he shakes his head]
We shouldn't see it as a matter of like or dislike. As a Phase, he will have the ability to target as many people as possible...and as an administrator...the possibilities of what he could do are endless. But if we can collectively frustrate the programming, we may be able to find openings. Gorre paused in battle to identify the correct attacks to use. The programming is not infallible.
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[ Not a matter of dislike or like, is it?
He listens particularly closely on this explanation, particularly with the way Sinclair's laying it out. ]
So, simply put:
Anyone showing such an aspect could cause that 'pause' or 'frustration' in its programming. Intriguing. It certainly couldn't hurt to see the results from anyone managing to be capable of giving 'useless' data in that regard.
...Seeing as Hien would be likely to strike mercilessly, any hinderance in his capabilities would be welcome.
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[He rubs his cheek, grimacing. And yes, he is confessing to his training sessions now]
I'd hate to see what an axe kick looks like on a giant Phase...
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An avatar of death does not seem like the type in which gentle words will reach his heart. Yet, if we simply show him violence which is indicative towards 'causation' of death, that will only be fodder for his data collection. All the same, it would be wise to keep some level of aggression if we don't want to find ourselves in danger in the beginning.
[ Pausing, in thought. If it's like the other ones... ]
Hien is a straightforward man on appearance, but he has some layers once you are able to make a glimpse past whatever veil he places in front of himself. That could factor in to any potential other aspects beyond 'frustrating the Wave of death' due to one's non-standard attitude towards death.
One more potential concern that I feel I must reiterate, which I have mentioned earlier:
Should we have to fight Skeith in the place I saw the advancement of Hien's 'condition', I noticed that items and skills are not accessible in the area. Like I have stated before, it may change. But it also may not. We should be adequately prepared in either case.
...And, while we're at it, could you enlighten us on what other tactics Hien is used to using besides axe kicks?
[ A funny image of a who-knows-incredible-amount-of-stories-tall enemy performing an axe kick does fly by in Albedo's head, but you know. ]
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...um. I don't know how to put this, but he's a vicious fighter, who when pushed into a corner, will fight even harder.
[How does he describe this]
I know any attempts to cast 'fear' on him only lead to an even more vicious fight.
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Hmm, I see. Like an instinctual response granted by most living beings.
[ But, good to know from a psychological standpoint?? ]
...If that is the case, I should hope no one would be inclined towards doing so. [ ... ] Though, speaking of which, that last part I assume you also derived from personal experience?
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[But it seemed important at the time!]
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Though, I imagine it must have been brutal.
[ SIMPLY PUT.... ]
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[HM]
Oh, he healed me up after. We had to pull back after healing stopped being as effective though.
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...Ah. I can see why sparring so hard would be, perhaps, counterproductive to the health of either of you as the situation changed. Truthfully, what an inconvenience that has been...
[ The lack of healing, he means. But he clears his throat, focusing on the topic at hand. ]
That said, it may have dealt with something related to your life on the other side, I suppose. Our memories are rather shaky when it comes to that, it appears.
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I only really became aware when my memory door in Gorre's fight was opened. But training with Skeith all took place here.
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It may be those 'reasons' are still tied to your life on the other side. Perhaps those 'reasons' may be connected to another memory you could be still missing.
[ While Albedo wishes he might have recovered a memory as well, he knows it is by no means a pleasant one. The utterance of the name "Kromer" not having been forgotten and the look of terror palpable on Sinclair's face...he was almost at a loss of words, seeing him like that. But it was a relief others could support him. ]
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...it must have had something to do with 'Kromer'. I remember Mithrun and I spoke about it, but it's not clear to me anymore.
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If, perhaps, you felt learning those skills would help you in dealing with this Kromer, I could understand that as basis for your reasoning.
[ Of course, as it is, there is no proof this is the case, and Albedo is going on not much to tied it together. But, in absence of concrete evidence, researchers are made to form hypotheses all the time. ]
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[ The fact he needed support does not diminish this. ]
...Well, I imagine from all of that training you would have managed some success in that endeavor.
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[there's no scale for him to hold himself against]