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.:A Brief Interlude:.
Who: Ganymede and people.
What: It's a meeting.
Where: Mac Anu, Ganymede's McMansion.
When: 10/12
Warnings: Nothing yet.
MAC ANU ~ GANYMEDE'S MCMANSION
The everpresent afternoon sunset hangs, echoing picturesque across the glass windows apparent at each spot within the large building. In a large room full of tables and what not are heaps of various cuisine settled here or there. Seafood, pastas, drinks, the like; Mediterranean style so if nobody likes that...gomen.
Ganymede has made it clear that he prefers people to be here in order to get themselves together. Sorted, somehow. They're all acting with a sort of independence he seems disinterested in disturbing, but he wants the prospect of potential solutions to be floated along.
If someone has new information they can share, well, it is encouraged. If not, he hopes that they will at least participate in some way.
It now begins.
(( OOC Note: People will not be attacked by monsters once within the McMansion, including pool area. ))
What: It's a meeting.
Where: Mac Anu, Ganymede's McMansion.
When: 10/12
Warnings: Nothing yet.
The everpresent afternoon sunset hangs, echoing picturesque across the glass windows apparent at each spot within the large building. In a large room full of tables and what not are heaps of various cuisine settled here or there. Seafood, pastas, drinks, the like; Mediterranean style so if nobody likes that...gomen.
Ganymede has made it clear that he prefers people to be here in order to get themselves together. Sorted, somehow. They're all acting with a sort of independence he seems disinterested in disturbing, but he wants the prospect of potential solutions to be floated along.
If someone has new information they can share, well, it is encouraged. If not, he hopes that they will at least participate in some way.
It now begins.
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I agree; there's no doubt that I think Lily is an AI but then that just means we have every opportunity to teach him!
Or "update" whatever he has learned thus far to make sure he isn't doing anything bad when he has his "heart" in the right place.
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[ Looking around for Michel. Michel help explain computer person !!!]
...On another note, Uta, if you've met Lily...is he a flick reaper?
[ One thing has been bothering him since their adventure]
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[ someone (michel) come save us from the lack of computer knowledge!!!! that said: ]
I have. [ ...
give her a moment for her to be confused why he'd be asking her before the light bulb goes off. ]
You know, I don't remember if he was one. It wasn't something that I paid close attention to; when he demonstrated how to use Data Drain I was more focused on that than what class he was.
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Ah. I see. I imagine I'd be overwhelmed tol. [ Since Uta was the least hostile one here: ] Is there anything else you can tell us about Lily? To help us understand better.
[ Aside from the fact that Lily is TEN YEARS OLD]
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hmm. ]
I get the feeling that they've been alone for a very long time with no one to talk to or no one that they can trust. I'll never forget how relieved he was when we met for the first time.
[ so if they're lashing out at someone then maybe there's something else there? ]
They're always so happy to see us and talk to us whenever we come visit them, so it's why I find it hard to believe that they'd want something terrible.
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They were lonely, huh...?
[But by us-- ]
You mean, you all visited together? You, Misteaks, Leviathan...?
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Not all at once, however there is a place for us when we do visit him.
[ tragically she isn't going to share any other names, but at least she's confirming that levi and beel are two other people besides her who have rights to meeting lily. ]
I believe he reached out to us one by one, and I might have been the most recent person that he contacted to meet face-to-face.
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[ Thinking. Maybe that's why Uta was the least hostile]
--a place?
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Yeah, it's Dismal Waning Descent.
I don't know what happens if someone who hasn't been first contacted by Lily tries to go to that location, but those are the keywords I'd use if I wanted to see Lily.
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[ That's...not a familiar grouping at all. Hm.
He'll have to try it. But not with Mithrun or the usual dungeon runners]
Thanks, Uta. If there's anything else you can tell us, it'd be good to hear from you.
[ specifically Uta because uh
looks at the lily stan group and looks at the camera]
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You're welcome Vogel! I want to help everyone figure this all out and find a way out for you all.
[ obviously she's not considering finding a way out for herself since her irl self is dead, but that's not what she wants to focus. now also cue her doing another think about what else could be said that hasn't been (or won't be) said. ]
But hmm... I'm not sure what else to say. I just hope that whenever and if-ever Lily decides to meet everyone face-to-face, that everyone gives him a chance and really listen to what he has to say.
We all want to be understood.
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The kind of AI I'm familiar with has almost no resemblance to something this advanced. But that's... more or less correct. Usually they would be processing information towards whatever purpose they had been designed for. Playing a game, or sorting data.
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and this is also uta trying to make sense of things in a way that makes sense to her. well, he is still making sense but..?? ]
With the AI that you are familiar with, is there a way to influence or manipulate what it learns?
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The training data set. And how you weight the algorithm, of course.
[ How to put it... He looks away and again and frowns slightly. ]
If you were teaching an AI to recognize cats, you would give it a hundred pictures and tell it which part is the cat. Then you would let it sort other pictures and tell it if it were right or wrong. The weights would be... whether it was more important to you that it found all pictures of cats, even if it also included some pictures of ferrets. Or whether it was always right, even if it meant excluding some cats that did not look like proper cats.
[ D... does that help. He's not a teacher. ]
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she'll make a soft "oooh" sound after he finishes. ]
So, then, if Lily was programmed to look for a certain thing, he would take in everything that he has experienced or seen in order to make sense of that certain thing.
[ ....not that any of them know what the hell that could possibly be?? but it's hateful that this has come up twice now for her in different situations. an "other" person. ]
And if we keep in line with what you know, then that means that there's someone else who might be verifying what he is learning as right or wrong.
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Something like that. If he were an ordinary AI. But at this level... I would assume he's confirming for himself what is right or wrong. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to run independently. So if he believes something is a cat, that becomes a cat to him. Regardless of what anyone else were to believe.
[ Which isn't all that different from how humans operate, when you break it down to that level. It's hard to express. ]
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...like those people who truly believe that the Earth is flat and ignore all of the evidence that proves otherwise. Or, in Lily's case, he'd reject alternatives to something that he has already "learned"?
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...Like that, yes. An ordinary AI doesn't learn like a person. It only matches patterns to what it's seen. It would need some way to register something as an exception or an override...
[ He grimaces a little at the imprecise language. He's trying. It's not really his area, exactly. ]
His world may not be defined by rules that make sense to us. That's the most important thing to understand. A human who sees a picture knows intuitively what depth is, what things are in front and behind. To an AI, it's only a picture. The earth is flat because the data it can perceive is flat.
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and even though his language might not be accurate, it works enough for uta to follow. honestly, what is being said here is just..?? she had one convo with shoka hoping for one thing but now this. ]
And given his complexity, it would be pretty much impossible to try and figure out what would register as an exception or how to perform an override. If there is one to begin with.
Is that right?
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[ And his understanding of Normal AI probably maps strangely at best. ]
He seemed to respect my desire to keep my own memory. But... I don't believe he understood me. Or— other basic requests.
[ No, he's not elaborating with this audience. ]
In other words, if you convinced him that something was not helpful for you... he might not understand that as a general truth, and would still act on others.
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